Deathly Hallows ((Spoilers.....maybe))

[Sean Lydon]

Finished mine today after work. i thought it was fairly predictable up through the end where everything was thrown into a crazed confusion that pretty much kickd ass . other than that, i wished she wouldve taken the end a little farther before the book was done, it was almost a sad thing when i closed it and looked back on how much ive read all the books over the years since it came out.

[Elena Durant]

i finished it the same day as you!!! xD








I LOVED IT!!!!! I CRIED! SO MANY TIMES!!!! IT WAS BEAUTIFUL!!!! xD





The endign was so. . . predictable? It would have beena bit funny if hermione married Draco or something.





i cried when Fred died. And when hedwig died .


The battle scene was fabulous!!! xD



Anyone agree?

[Katana Rebelde]

*I* agreeeeeeeeeeee. <3

Duuudde.
I dont care what anyone says.
Draco.
Totally having an Affair.
With Hermione.

The epilogue blew my day.
The book was terribly predictable.
But you had to love the fight scene and everything that happened after and in between. <3

[Sean Lydon]

yea, i think just about every1 new that R.A.B was Sirus's brother and that they already had seen the locket when they cleaned the house, i knew that the instant i read the note in teh locket.

[Seth Reshnite]

that book kicked so much ass man its not even funny!!!
The ending was completetely predictable until he came back to life...that shocked me...I loved the book though
i would have finished it on the 22nd but i was at camp and i didnt have enough time to read it...i was pissed!!!

[Katana Rebelde]

I finished it the first 11 hours the book was released.

Urgh.
SO many things were predictable.

It's just.
1/2 of the book felt like badly written fanficiton. >.<

[Seth Reshnite]

what do you mean?

[Katana Rebelde]

I mean exactly what I said.
1/2 of it felt like badly written fanfiction.

Like.
It was written by a fan.
It was like something a fan would come up with.
And then write really badly. XD

Her writting is usually sooooooo much better than that and full of surprises.

[Sean Lydon]

^^^^ I agree 100%, it felt....cheesy

[Katana Rebelde]

Yessssssssss. <3
It was kinda a disappointment.

[Sairu Viola]

The epiloge sucked eggs, as far as I'm conserned. And the rest of her book, standard. I set my expectations low, so I wasn't too dissapointed. I still don't know what side vampires were on and how the other countires felt about it (The wizarding world), but then again...it 'was' a childrens book. I can't help but think...

I love the fact that she hates seeing little kids read her books, but then says they're children books when someone asks about the lack of adult themes (drugs, swearing...realisim)

Death has to sink in, *snorts* honestly.

And about the Fanfiction thing, I totally think she got bored one day, looked up a few fic (She does like to read them, so she says) and threw them in there. Somewhere out there, many Mary-Sue, crap!fic writters were very pleased.

Does she ever read her diologue out loud? And the end of Voldemort...lame. And the kiddies? We'll never know what they look like because she did say so, and why are they all the same age (roughly)?! Mass school friend origy. (sp?)

[Katana Rebelde]

sairu said:

I still don't know what side vampires were on and how the other countires felt about it (The wizarding world)

Of course you dont know all those trivial details, there are in fact just that... TRIVIAL details. The books are large enough as they are without including things that arent really necessary. It's not like she would be adverse to answering those questions were they asked of her.

but then again...it 'was' a childrens book. I can't help but think...

I love the fact that she hates seeing little kids read her books, but then says they're children books when someone asks about the lack of adult themes (drugs, swearing...realisim

Mh. Youre wrong.

If youve read any article actually quoting Jo, youd know that she does not consider her books to be "childrens" books. Yes, when she came up with the idea it was originally for a childrens book. As the idea developed further, accompanied with the death of her mother, as she has already stated, it matured into something else.

While the first few books may come off as childrens books, that is first and foremost because Harry himself was a child. Miss Rowlings writting matured, as did her characters, therefore so did her books. Age was never a big factor in the efforts put into writting this series; she more or less took an idea and ran with it. Once her publishers and herself noticed an upsurge in adult fans, as well as children fans, they began making books with cover art appearing to both age groups.

As for her disliking children reading her books? She, ALSO, has stated several times that is thankful that she could lend a hand and assist in encouraging todays youth to pick up a book and READ. Why would she dislike kids reading her books when at the time in which she wrote this series they were intended for the young age group of nine to eleven?

Death has to sink in, *snorts* honestly.

Yes, it DOES have to sink in. JKR has stated in one her latest interviews that death plays a major role in the theme of harry potter. If you have not yet had the chance to read such, let me enlighten you:

JKR said:

My books are largely about death. They open with the death of Harry's parents. There is Voldemort's obsession with conquering death and his quest for immortality at any price, the goal of anyone with magic. I so understand why Voldemort wants to conquer death. We're all frightened of it.

And about the Fanfiction thing, I totally think she got bored one day, looked up a few fic (She does like to read them, so she says) and threw them in there. Somewhere out there, many Mary-Sue, crap!fic writters were very pleased.

Honestly? I dont know WHAT happened with all that. It really did seem to me that the quality of her work was seriously lacking. I also agree that it reminded me of poorly written fanfiction and that many people who write such have got to be jumping with joy. Though what bothers me is how you believe the book got to such a point. I dont think she, "got bored and threw them in there" but I do have a horrid feeling that she let her fans influence her to badddd extent.

Does she ever read her diologue out loud? And the end of Voldemort...lame. And the kiddies? We'll never know what they look like because she did say so, and why are they all the same age (roughly)?! Mass school friend origy. (sp?)

I liked the end of the Dark Lord, not particularly Nevilles role in such or that the Dark Lord DIED, but that scene showed a lot for who Harry had grown to become.

Again, what they look like are trivial details that if asked, im sure she wouldnt have a problem answering. At this point in time, she has answered a lot of questions and I can tell you a lot of details about the characters that were not included in the epilogue.

As for the age of the kids? Well, your guess is as good as mine. I, personally, just happen to think that's around the time that everyone got settled in their life.

But. As for writting? If you dont like her style... Dont read it.
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Btw.
I didnt mean to pick at the things you said.
But your response was full of a lot wrong information.
And a lot of complaining rather than a valid opinion.
I simply had to reply and correct you.

[Sairu Viola]

Of course you dont know all those trivial details, there are in fact just that... TRIVIAL details. The books are large enough as they are without including things that arent really necessary. It's not like she would be adverse to answering those questions were they asked of her.

Reply: Books are never large enough. If it exsists, than you must write it down. That is just is.

If youve read any article actually quoting Jo, youd know that she does not consider her books to be "childrens" books. Yes, when she came up with the idea it was originally for a childrens book. As the idea developed further, accompanied with the death of her mother, as she has already stated, it matured into something else.

Reply: When writting a book, you must state what age group it is throughout. You can't change it mid-way, I mean you can, but that isn't standard. If you're going to give them an age group, you cannot waver like she did. Take, Wind in the Willows, for example. A childhood book, but not for mambies pansys, is it?
------------On Death------------
Quote:Death has to sink in, *snorts* honestly.



Yes, it DOES have to sink in. JKR has stated in one her latest interviews that death plays a major role in the theme of harry potter. If you have not yet had the chance to read such, let me enlighten you:


Quote:My books are largely about death. They open with the death of Harry's parents. There is Voldemort's obsession with conquering death and his quest for immortality at any price, the goal of anyone with magic. I so understand why Voldemort wants to conquer death. We're all frightened of it.

Reply: Death dos not have to sink in! It's not...oy, have you ever seen anyone die. They're dead, they're gone. Death does 'have' to sink in. She just said that to cover up that minor plot hole, but who doesn't come up with story band-aids.

And on the topic of death, we're not all frightened of it. I don't endorse death, but I'm not quaking in my sugar boots, eh Rowling.
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Honestly? I dont know WHAT happened with all that. It really did seem to me that the quality of her work was seriously lacking. I also agree that it reminded me of poorly written fanfiction and that many people who write such have got to be jumping with joy. Though what bothers me is how you believe the book got to such a point. I dont think she, "got bored and threw them in there" but I do have a horrid feeling that she let her fans influence her to badddd extent.

Reply: Her writting went down hill after she let the film people get into it, you can tell by the little things. It is truely unbfortunet, but that's what happens when things go mainstream, the quality drops.

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I liked the end of the Dark Lord, not particularly Nevilles role in such or that the Dark Lord DIED, but that scene showed a lot for who Harry had grown to become.

Again, what they look like are trivial details that if asked, im sure she wouldnt have a problem answering. At this point in time, she has answered a lot of questions and I can tell you a lot of details about the characters that were not included in the epilogue.

As for the age of the kids? Well, your guess is as good as mine. I, personally, just happen to think that's around the time that everyone got settled in their life.

But. As for writting? If you dont like her style... Dont read it.
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Reply: Well, Voldemort's demise was akin to the demise of the ring, which, as anyone in an Advance English class would have known by now, or anyone who has read most of Tolkein's stories, would have noticed the simularities.

And details at the end of ever book, I think, should be final. They should tell you, not just asumed. Asumpition should be left for the start of a serise, not an end.

And the childrens age? and the bit of vile part where kids were goking at Potter? -sighs- I guess she was just put our tiny minds at rest, because we can't handle the whole 17 years.

And, I never stateed I do not enjoy her writting. Though, it is a light read, and I don't think it should be the first book children read, because then they think all books are light like that. Pfft, I've read her books inside and out, so, don't asume I don't enjoy her style just because she slacked a bit.

(Had to look up what By the Way meant in my big book of chat talk)
Hahahaha! Correct me? The only thing I want corrected is grammar, spelling, and honest mistakes! Full of wrong and complaining? Well, I jolly well hope it sounded like complaining, but it wasn't wrong. An opinion, for one, cannot be wrong unless it is off topic, and for two, I wasn't wrong, I was mearly not played in your tune. And, I so hope I haven't upset you, I do enjoy a good debate.

[Katana Rebelde]

Books are never large enough. If it exsists, than you must write it down. That is just is.

This is all personal opinion. There's nothing much I can say here except, I disagree. Also, that it is Jo's opinion that matters.... not yours. It's one thing to care enough about the books to plea for them to be longer but another for you to state she is not writting enough.

As for writting down *all* the details? I think the epilogue sucked but it was what JKR decided should be included in such. The fans were not settled with just that so she gave them more. Plain and Simple? She caved.

When writting a book, you must state what age group it is throughout. You can't change it mid-way, I mean you can, but that isn't standard. If you're going to give them an age group, you cannot waver like she did. Take, Wind in the Willows, for example. A childhood book, but not for mambies pansys, is it?

When some people write, probbbbbbably most people, they write for themselves. They write simply because they have a sound creative plot that they would like to try out. If it goes somewhere, great, and if it doesnt, it doesnt. So, no, you do not have to have a set age group to write something. No, this doesnt apply to JKR, just a fact in general.

As for JKR, she did not "waver" as you put it. Again, it was before the book was even published that she began mapping it out to be something different. So, im not sure that your "mid-way" point works here, m'dear. Also, wouldnt mid-way be about book 3 or 4? Not before it was even published?

JKR was literally LOOKING for something to write because she was having severe money problems. When she went searching for an idea, she thought a childrens book would be both where her expertise lies and also where the market would indulge her. Once she already felt she had a solid plot, Harry Potter had struck her as something slightly different and she made a decision to go for it.

Death dos not have to sink in! It's not...oy, have you ever seen anyone die. They're dead, they're gone. Death does 'have' to sink in. She just said that to cover up that minor plot hole, but who doesn't come up with story band-aids.

And on the topic of death, we're not all frightened of it. I don't endorse death, but I'm not quaking in my sugar boots, eh Rowling.

JKRs opinions are the characters opinions, so I dont think that it's a plot band-aid. Most of her writting reflects on her life and she did not take her mothers death very well. Her life influences the characters greatly and I understand why. JKRs ethics, experiences, and opinions come from her head, as does everything Potter related.

If JKR says that the characters need time to soak in death then they need time to soak in death. I, personally, share the view of Rowling and her characters. You dont just look at someone and go, "ZOMGTHEYREDEADLETSGOGETSOMETEA!". Well.. I sure dont. It takes me a bit to grasp that this person is gone for good and im never going to talk to them again. This person is officially out of my life and things will never be the same; its hard. According to Jo, the characters feel the same way.

As for your second comment? JKRs use of the word "we" to respond to the public is just an exaggeration used to portray how big of a deal death is to her. She does not speak for the general population and neither do you. There is nothing special, ignorant, and controlling in her use of the word "we".

Her writting went down hill after she let the film people get into it, you can tell by the little things. It is truely unbfortunet, but that's what happens when things go mainstream, the quality drops.

I, of course, have to disagree with all my little black heart. JKR does not exactly like the things going on in the movies. There are the few little details the directors decide to put in that make her smile but for the large part, it pisses her off. She does not take it out on her actors and actresses [and I think greatly of her for that, btw] but merely shares distaste for the directors. So, I highly doubt she would let such influence her writting.

As for her writting corresponding with the movies? Im not sure when the first movie started production but I know it was released in 2001. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, my favorite book of the whole entire series, was published in 2003. So, you understand why I would have to strongle disagree that her writting went downhill as the movies hit the studios. Plus, I really liked the first two movies.

Haha. I agree on this one. Mainstream does have a habit of murdering existance as we know it. Though, I dont believe this applies to Potter... maybe for the last book, though.

Well, Voldemort's demise was akin to the demise of the ring, which, as anyone in an Advance English class would have known by now, or anyone who has read most of Tolkein's stories, would have noticed the simularities.

You think there's a similiarity there? Try the first book with the Star Wars. Apparently, they're like... the same thing. Depressing, I say. >.<

And details at the end of ever book, I think, should be final. They should tell you, not just asumed. Asumpition should be left for the start of a serise, not an end.

The author of a book correcting speculation is not assumption. As ive stated perviously, it's either her not enjoying the conclusions her fans have come to or her caving in to the demand of said fans. [Which, again, I have a baddd feeling that's what happened with the last book.] Her giving away new information does not make previous information invalid and therefore does not mean that the details at the end of the book were not final. It just means she feels she owes her fans more and caved in to their potter needs.

Nobody assumed, nobody made an ass of themselves. [Yes, I felt the need for an allusion made at the expence of an old stupid saying. Sue me.]

And the childrens age? and the bit of vile part where kids were goking at Potter? -sighs- I guess she was just put our tiny minds at rest, because we can't handle the whole 17 years.

Sadly enough, I will admit that ive made excuses to my ex for Potters own children not knowing he was famous. I was willing to make excuses then because I liked to pop his bubble. Honestly? I dont understand how his own children and his friends' children would not know, especially the ones at hogwarts! That part was just an event that was written without taking the rest of the wizarding world REALITY into consideration. Tsk, Tsk, Jo. Tsk, Tsk. [Or as I say... Tsk. Squared. XD]

The children were all of different age, so im not sure where your problem comes in. Their children are all within like 4 years of eachother and probably because, as ive said before, that's around the time Potter & crew grew up and got settled.

And, I never stateed I do not enjoy her writting. Though, it is a light read, and I don't think it should be the first book children read, because then they think all books are light like that. Pfft, I've read her books inside and out, so, don't asume I don't enjoy her style just because she slacked a bit.

Uhm. I do not believe the first book that a child will read will be a potter book. Nor, im sure, does Jo. It's helping YOUTH, meaning pre- and teens, regard reading as a casual thing.

I love Harry Potter more than life and im pretty sure, though you are more than welcome to correct me, that you have some passion for the books, as well. We just grasp certain views from different sides of the spectrum. I look at things from JKR's point of view and consider a logical explanation as to why things are the way they are. You simply see what they are as the general picture. You do not look for reasoning behind such situations past your own opinion.

(Had to look up what By the Way meant in my big book of chat talk)
Hahahaha! Correct me? The only thing I want corrected is grammar, spelling, and honest mistakes! Full of wrong and complaining? Well, I jolly well hope it sounded like complaining, but it wasn't wrong. and for two, I wasn't wrong, I was mearly not played in your tune. And, I so hope I haven't upset you, I do enjoy a good debate.

Youve never used the acronym BTW?
I have a tendency to say it in RL. XD

For your opinions, it was not my intentions to correct you but to open your eyes a bit.
I did not say your OPINIONS were wrong but that your INFORMATION, your facts themselves, were incorrect.

The amount of complaining bothered me because it was general complaining. It was more JKRWTFAREYOUDOINGWRITTING? kind of complaining and I adore her. It was not constructive criticism or such and it wasnt about the book. It came off as directed towards JKR and who she is as a writer.

I hate debates... but I guess there inlies the paradox; I started it. lol

An opinion, for one, cannot be wrong unless it is off topic.

Just because an opinion is off topic does not make it invalid, simply irrelovent. But I feel an opinion that pertains to a set topic but is based off incorrect information or logic, can in fact, be invalid.

[Sairu Viola]

Youve never used the acronym BTW?

Grft, I've seen it. I just had to make sure that's what it meant...you never know. BRB could mean Bacon roseblood? Anywho, everything I say sounds like a general complaint. If you're going to be famous, you must at least be flawless, if not, little scabs like me are going to pick on it. And untill she's dead, I doubt I'll stop.

I do enjoy Harry Potter, but, not nearly as much as I enjoy other books. I can think of a few that are flawless as well.

And about her adding new information, she should of had it all figured it out before she published it...like everyother writter. *looks at her massive amout of research*

But, authors do write for themselfs, but many...the ones that do it for a living, give their writting an age group or public consideration. And death doesn't need 15(?) years to sink into healthy srapping Potter boy.

[Katana Rebelde]

Grft, I've seen it. I just had to make sure that's what it meant...you never know. BRB could mean Bacon roseblood? Anywho, everything I say sounds like a general complaint. If you're going to be famous, you must at least be flawless, if not, little scabs like me are going to pick on it. And untill she's dead, I doubt I'll stop.

Uhm. Newsflash: No one and nothing is flawless.

JKR did not make herself famous. She did not put herself on the big screen nor did she put her music all over the radio; her READERS made her famous. She just wrote a book cause she was broke. That's it. She doesnt owe us anything nor does she need to try to be flawless nor do her books.

I do enjoy Harry Potter, but, not nearly as much as I enjoy other books. I can think of a few that are flawless as well.

And about her adding new information, she should of had it all figured it out before she published it...like everyother writter. *looks at her massive amout of research*

No book is flawless. YOU just happen to THINK that. XD

She didnt ADD new information. I dont know if you know this but JKR had decided to write an encyclopedia about Potter. She already had this stuff figured out but again, her fans were begging for more. She caved and I cant explain this to you anymore.

But, authors do write for themselfs, but many...the ones that do it for a living, give their writting an age group or public consideration. And death doesn't need 15(?) years to sink into healthy srapping Potter boy.

This is getting redundant.

She wasnt writting for a living when she wrote Potter. With that said, she DID give it an age group but the book became something else. She decided to turn it into a series. This was before it was even published, so before you go back to your "changing it" crap... dont.

Where did you get 15 years from? lmao.

[Sairu Viola]

Um, he saw his parents die. So according to Rowling, it took 15 years for death to sink in? Books don't become something else. Narina didn't change its colours as he wrote it. It was the same age group the whole time long, ALL.

And please stop acting touch, it makes decision very irksome. We're both readers, and we're talking about a book. So, tone it down, you're tough act is rather upsetting. All harshing my mellow.

In other new, whose side was Dawlish on? I know he was on the O.o.P side, but worked for the goverment. However, he was sent to go smite Longbottom's gran in the last book. So what side was he on?

[Katana Rebelde]

I seriously dont know where the 15 thing came from. At all. XD

Your Mellow.
Totally dead.
As of now.
Gone.

Dawlish?
Supposedly Dumbledores.
And the OotP.

[Sairu Viola]

Well, Dawlish attacked Longbottom's Grandmother. Or was he Confounded, or was he a really a spy for Voldemort the whole time?