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Post by Severus Snape on Jul 21, 2005 22:10:33 GMT -4
I don't know about that one, it actually seems quite convincing to me. That's an interesting theory, I like it even though it might seem a bit outrageous double-checking it. It would be something that would help Voldemort hide his Horcrux very deeply on the other side - the good side that is - where no one would suspect it. But than that would mean that Harry would have to be killed before Voldemort - I think.
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Post by Draco Malfoy on Jul 21, 2005 22:14:22 GMT -4
Ya which means the prophacy would come true whether he found all the other 6 horcruxes or not....maybe voldemort isn't even one himself. Which would prove my theory right but JK would have put it in the book somewhere for a hint
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Post by allie on Jul 21, 2005 22:26:59 GMT -4
Ahh. I agree with Jinx. That was my first thought when I read it.
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Post by Severus Snape on Jul 21, 2005 22:49:18 GMT -4
Voldemort has to be one because he has to have a soul to be alive, or else he would cease to exsist. You see if he didn't have a shrewd of soul in him than he wouldn't be alive - like before when he was barely alive but wasn't dead. He's like a walking talking Horcrux in the way that he has a shrewd of his own soul in him.
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Post by Draco Malfoy on Jul 21, 2005 22:51:23 GMT -4
ok so that was stupid...well then the thing of griffindors or ravenclaws, what do you think that could be?
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Post by Severus Snape on Jul 21, 2005 23:16:03 GMT -4
I think that for Ravenclaw's it might be a book of some sort, or possibly a pendent - something that meant a lot to Ravenclaw or that has her initials on it. For Gryffindor I would assume that it's the sword, but of course Dumbledore had it in his possession, so we are led to assume something else. But it might in fact hold Voldemort's Horcrux because it was introduced throughout the series as something owned by Godric Gryffindor, unless JKR creates a new item. Since something that Ravenclaw owned was never mentioned, than we must assume that she will mention the object in book 7.
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Post by Draco Malfoy on Jul 21, 2005 23:19:51 GMT -4
coarse but it can't be the sword because dumbleodore would have felt it....you know cause he can sense magic and stuff
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Post by Severus Snape on Jul 21, 2005 23:29:01 GMT -4
Yeah, thats very true,
*shrugs*
Just a stupid theory that I had off the top of my head. I can't really think of much else that JKR has mentioned Gryffindor owning. I think that everything will come out once book 7 is released (how obvious was that sentence?).
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Post by Sean Lydon on Jul 21, 2005 23:29:02 GMT -4
not to get off subject or anything, but while reading the 5th book over again a could fridays ago, i think it was last it was the day b4 HBP, i carefully re read the hat song, i thikn there is a lotta hints in the hat song considering weve only heard it, what 3 times?  ? but in this one it clearly states that Gryffindor AND Slytherin had been BEST FRIENDS, and there might not have been one other than RAVENCLAW and HUFFLEPUFF. and it says that there was a fight between all of them and Slytherin, i wanna know what exaclty was the problem and why it lead to a fight and Slytherin left........maybe Slytherin started another school perhaps one that was more dedicated to the dark arts, maybe some school hidden away in the mountains called Durmstang? i dunno. but if gryffindor and slytherin were best friends, im sure something was given to another that was passed down or something............ |
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Post by Draco Malfoy on Jul 21, 2005 23:32:40 GMT -4
it seems kind of dumb to me though how he could want something from all four houses and yet in the 6th book it says ravenclaw or griffindor...I just don't quite understand and I truely don't want to wait another two years for it
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Post by Severus Snape on Jul 22, 2005 0:00:19 GMT -4
Me neither, but than who honestly does? I think that she should just get on with it and have written the sixth and the seventh book at the same time so that they could be released together. It would have killed the wait for the last and final book to the series. In the last book we can openly assume that Harry or Voldemort will die by one or the others hand. And obviously now that Harry needs to find four Horcruxes which includes the missing one.
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Post by Draco Malfoy on Jul 22, 2005 0:14:13 GMT -4
and hermione and ron are going with him to find it and stuff....And I truely think they will both die or something....And I'm sure that who ever R.A.B. is will be in the 7th
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Post by Severus Snape on Jul 22, 2005 0:21:40 GMT -4
Most likely yes to both questions. I think that its a sheer pity that JKR will kill off Ron if she does, he's such a great character, but I think that the same can be said for Sirius Black, Dumbledore, and some of the others that she heartlessly wrote out.
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Post by allie on Jul 22, 2005 8:44:47 GMT -4
Ah yes.
I hope she doesn't kill off Ron.(she probably will though...She'll kill every cool person off one...by one....by one.))
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Post by Draco Malfoy on Jul 22, 2005 15:30:32 GMT -4
I think mrs. weasley will be first though....If you think about it
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Post by Severus Snape on Jul 22, 2005 15:42:24 GMT -4
Lol, you seem very eager to kill off the whole Weasley family first, Draco. Why is that?
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Post by Draco Malfoy on Jul 22, 2005 15:45:18 GMT -4
It just seems obvious too me that if voldemort wants to kill harry he has to get to his close friends and what not and well...other then ginny...Mrs. weasley..he pretty much loves her like his own mother and stuff, you know?
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Post by Severus Snape on Jul 22, 2005 15:54:17 GMT -4
True, that would make sense. He already tired to go after Mr. Weasley in book 5, so I guess that it would only make sense that he was after the whole family and succeeds later on. Or else of course JKR could just make it a nice happy ending where Voldemort goes into early retirement with his last remaining souls, and she lets everyone live. But I highly doubt that one.
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Post by Tom Riddle = Closed Off on Jul 22, 2005 16:34:46 GMT -4
Pulling the dicussion for a moment back to the part of Harry being a Horcuxes, that could be true. Dumbledore said in the first book that Voldemort passed a part of himself onto Harry that night. Maybe that would explain why Harry can speak parselmouth, can see into Voldemort's mind, because maybe a part of Voldemort lives in Harry. Therefore making him a horcux. I cant remember if Dumbledore said that Volde had managed to create all seven Horucux, then suspect that one lies in either a Gryffindor or Ravenclaw item, what if thats wrong. What if the last one resides in that scar? And Harry was able to summon the sword of Gryffindor, meaning he's a true follower of Gryff. When Voldemort is mad or happy Harry can feel the emotion, he can tell what it is. All that from a simple Killing charm?
Leading from that, in the seventh book when the final battle comes down, I think neither will walk away. I just have a feeling both are going to die.
Ron and Hermione I think Ron will die, because him and Harry are like brothers, a brotherly bond can be powerful, Rowling already elimated a lot of the people that could have protected Harry. Sirius, his mother's love that made it so Volde couldnt touch him, Dumbledore, his Parents of course... Ron might threaten that just with their bonds. Or Maybe Petunia, for some reason Dumbledore thinks Harry is safe there, Rowling might kill off the Durlerys.
And as for R.A.B..
Rowling would have 'R.A.B.' living and breathing. But how could that be if Regulus is dead? Ghost perhaps but wouldnt we have heard about it by now? Though I'm wondering, a far fetched thought but with Rowling you never know.
What id R.A.B. is three different people? Dumbledore said that there would be no way one person could have gotten through to the locket on their own. Even he couldnt have without Harry's help. And that's Dumbledore!! What if R.A.B stood for three different names... Or two different people both coming from the Black family.. Regulus, and Andromeda Black? Regulus wanted out of the Death Eaters, Andromeda was already a 'blood traitor' like Sirius was. What if they found out and teamed up to get the locket? I dont remember what happened to Andromeda, but its a possibility right? If she's still alive now or not *shrugs* But she was mentioned in the books, on the tapestry I believe, (We wouldnt know about her if she wasnt) Its a thought.
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Post by Severus Snape on Jul 22, 2005 23:45:11 GMT -4
It just occured to me when you mentioned Harry as a Horcrux - he is a Gryffindor right? Well he could be the Horcrux for something of Gryffindor's, he's in the house and the term could take on a somewhat literal meaning to it. It is true though that him and Voldemort are almost like one because Voldemort passed some of him into Harry when that killing curse went wrong.
As for R.A.B., I can't remember if the letter was written in first person or not, if it had 'we' in it than it would better help to open up doors. I sadly don't have my copy of HBP near at hand, but I think that it was written in the I tense, which could also hint as to the number of people behind the letter. But I won't deny your theory, because I also heard it elsewhere that there could be more than one person involved in R.A.B. It's getting to me because I can't remember exactly where I heard it at.
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